Loose Change compares Apples to Oranges

bestthing Dylan Avery, the producer of Loose Change tends to compare apples to oranges (as do most members of the 9-11 “Truth” Movement) and the evidence can be found here.

Avery compares the 1945 Empire State Building B-25 bomber crash (he originally said it was a B-52, which didn’t exist in 1945, but corrected the mistake in the second version of Loose Change) to 9-11. As you can see from the table at the above link, a B-25 has a much lower fuel capacity than a 767. Cruising speed is NOT the same as maximum speed. If you drive down the freeway at 65 MPH, that’s cruising speed- if you floor it, that’s maximum speed. There’s also the fact that the Empire State Building and the World Trade Center had totally different designs. Specifically, the Empire State Building had concrete enclosed steel columns arranged in a grid on each floor, while the WTC was designed with exterior steel columns connected to the core by lightweight steel trusses.

Other differences are: 1) The Empire State Building crash occurred in thick fog ( see this reference); the WTC crashes took place on a clear day, 2) The B-25 only hit one floor; the planes on 9-11 hit multiple floors of the north and south towers, and 3) The Empire State Building crash was an accident and 9-11 was deliberate.

Avery compares other skyscraper fires here. He ignores the fact that there were multiple “firsts” on Sept. 11, such as it was the first time anyone had deliberately flown into skyscrapers at high speed, and the first time any 100+ story buildings collapsed near WTC 7.

He compares the 1975 WTC fire, but doesn’t mention that the ’75 fire was mainly on the 11th floor and a cable shaft, and firefighters had full access- not to mention the fact that in the 1975 fire, no planes had crashed into it. He also compares the Windsor Building fire to the WTC fires, but neglects to mention that the Windsor tower also had a slightly different design than the World Trade Center, such as a concrete core, instead of steel.

Another fire he compares the WTC fires to is the 62-story First Interstate Bank Building in L.A, which was fought the entire time, had better quality fireproofing than the WTC, and didn’t have fireproofing dislodged from an airplane impact. The fireproofing at WTC was rated for two hours of continuous fire WITH fireproofing. Remove the fireproofing and you’ve got a problem (reference).

In addition, observe the test results cited at Debunking 911’s site, a test by the NIST often cited by conspiracy theorists to prove their point. They point to the three asterisks that indicate that failure didn’t occur. Look at the test results, and you’ll see that the conspiracy theorists leave out the fact that all four of those tests had fireproofing on the trusses, while some of the trusses on 9-11 had the fireproofing dislodged by the airplane impact.


Posted December 12, 2007 by Victor Chabala in Real 9/11 Facts

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